Jan 8, 2020. Kharn later takes part in the Shadow Crusade, forming a friendship with Word Bearer Captain Argel Tal. The weird part is that brown wax mask that covered his face for decades was not a reconstruction of Celestine’s face, but a mask of the face of Cardinal Carlo Confalonieri (1893-1986), the Archbishop of L’Aquila. In Shroud of Night his aura of carnage was so powerful daemons were randomly manifesting in his wake and people were going mad. But still, these feats are not enough to. I agree with you I don't think he could be a Primarch, he is super powerful for an Astartes but nothing close to the Primarch. Urged by the cardinals to cross over into the States of the Church, Celestine, again at the behest of the king, ordered the entire Curia to repair to Naples. 9/10 would recommend Thanos from Marvel Comics with all 5 infinity stones vs the Chaos Champions and Saint Celestine from Warhammer 40K That means Kharn the Betrayer, Lucius the Eternal, Typhus, Herald of the Plague God and Ahriman, Archsorcerer of Tzeentch. From a narrative standpoint, I think its more likely that the trio wins as ABD mentioned Abaddon beating Horus was like Abaddon beating the real pre-heresy Horus (which I think. HeldenUK White Scars • 3 yr. . Kharn is from the current date (M. Brutal, beautiful and with an emotional background! One of the best fight scenes. And that can't happen given his busy schedule during the Siege. Celestine (“Celestine”), who pled guilty conditionally to drug crimes, appeals the district court's denial of his motion to suppress evidence obtained during a search, pursuant to a warrant, of a house of which he was a part owner. Space Marines are the pinnacle of genetic engineering and combat training, through decades of virtual training and thousands of deaths before they see a real battlefield. There's also the fact that Khorne could nullify the Swarmlord's psychic attacks. said: Kharn has a plasma pistol. This is the story of Kharn the Betrayer's Heretical Development. So a lot has been written about the duel between Sigismund and Kharn in Warhawk, some by me, some by others, but it is a fantastic piece of writing by Chris Wraight which shows his recurring themes of losing out on emotions and similar. Worse, he saw a bored indulgence, the Captain even sighed. Later, Malcador would clone this Eldar, splicing his DNA with human genetic coding, creating Ael Wyntor. Cover Description. Khârn without Gorechild but with power armour vs MK bosses Round 3. Kharn's injuries continued to plague him in the immediate post-Heresy period, and the Legion tore itself apart without him or Angron to guide them. Suffice to say, it got shot down). And he is also characterized throughout the first book as being rather callow. ‘Get up. ago by tresnicka321 SPOILER How strong is Kharn? Basically the title. Pope Benedict XVI leaves office this week, the second pope to resign voluntarily. Mind you, these are just averages, and the don't even. I’m sure the parrels where intentional. When the Pylons stripped Abaddon and Celestine from their divine powers, Celestine folded quicker than a wet noddle. Khârn had parried the last blow. An epic duel. and a soul sucking axe. " James Workshop strikes again. However Bjorn is probably the single most badass Dreadnought ever. I think Tyberos would mince Kharn if it was 'no Warp powers'. vs. Sanguinor is at least Primarch level,seeing as how it was able to fight-and beat-Ka'Bandtha,who fought on even ground with Sanguinius. Kharn Vs Loken. Celestines Verschwinden. Mortarion, Angron, and Magnus banished. He has been the subject of much speculation with legends claiming he was murdered by a nail being driven through his head on his ruthless successor’s command []. In their armor they're eight feet tall, and can toss a pickup truck through a house. #WorldEaters #Kharn #LoreIn todays video I challenge you to help me figure out just how many skulls the Betrayer has claimed!💀💀💀Recommended videos:The Ber. Dec 17, 2020 #2 Khârn gets wrecked. comment sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Add a Comment. true. I. Kharn apparently killed a Titan in one of the latest novels, and definitely killed a Knight, while managing to block its Reaper blade, with his weapon held on his unarmored and thus unenhanced by power armor arm. Khârn the Betrayer of the World Eaters Traitor Legion. Kharn drived his fingers at the God of War's eyes as blood began to uncontrollably burst out as Kharn was showered in the crimson blood of his enemy. Daemons burned in their thousands, their aetheric flesh seared from their false bones. Kharn) do actually have very acute strategical and tactical concepts, contrary to. Anakin stomps. She is an angelic figure wreathed in light, best known for her ability to raise the faithful dead (including herself) back to life. First guy to embrace the Nails and be Angron's bestest boy. Welp. In 16751 decks 2% of 1033327 decks. Never, not even in fragmentary glimpses, had he foreseen this duel. Kharn is FAR from being a dumb killing machine. Celestine does not; she made a pact with the Emperor all the way back in the Heresy to be His servant in return for something. His chances of doing so would likely be better under these circumstances than they were in their canon encounter since Azrael had other concerns at the time. A flicker. ' This is the most lucid he has been in many months. But one thought occured to me here. The Swarmlord is Chapter Master level, or maybe a little higher. Kharn has the advantage in skill, experience, speed and frankly, by feats, strength. . ’ She stared at him, at the mask over his face. In pure stats she’s better than Celestine and I’ve killed Kharn with her before. Celestine, the Living Saint. Regal Bunnicorn. If a creature dies this way, add a loyalty counter. Regal Bunnicorn. Kharn has gotten significant buffs since then. Arachnofiend wrote: Literally the entire. Magnus is still horrifically powerful, and Kharn is still a horrifically good fighter; the Emperor is just in a league of his own, and Lucius has been doing nothing but dueling (and educational murder porn. So dont try and bamboozle us here, we read the book lol. Kharn’s daemonic Chainaxe carves through adamantium like it was butter and. I think losing his best buddy and fully falling to. Canoptek Spyder. Lucius the Eternal is the Champion of the Chaos God Slaanesh and a lord commander of the Emperor's Children Traitor Legion. Angron carries out his will in the warp to perpetuate the great game, and Kharn carries out his will in the materium to fuel the great game. Kharne weaved to the side of every blow. Short stories with Kharn show that he does take at least grim satisfaction in his kills. Calling a Living Saint like Celestine a Daemon Prince is a type classification, not a power level one (think "Charmander is a Fire type" rather than "Charmander is level 20"). Now this isn’t to say he hasn’t grown far more powerful in the millennia since, but if even Saint Celestine could almost kill him with her Ardent Blade, a fully restored Primarch like Guilliman with his restorative armor and the Emperor’s Sword would absolutely crush him. " They have wings because the Emperor gave them wings. He is the Emperor's Champion, herald of the Imperium As It Will Become. Champion of Chaos. the book in honestly really fun as its about an alpha legion warband sneaking into a city where the World eaters and Imperial fists are fighting over a Beacon. In 16332 decks 1% of 2165470 decks. After that, the battle becomes more long and drawn out, with Kharn bleeding by inches yet continuing to fight, and Lelith slowly losing stamina. Lucius either wins with superior dueling power, or consumes Kharn's soul to come back to life after he loses. After dispatching the Keeper of Secrets, Celestine engaged Kharn in a duel. Reviews: 0. The threads split and divided, met and joined, over and over, slicing the emptiness into sharp slivers. Lucius is characterized as being flashy and aggressive. Unlike many of the Heretic Astartes, Khârn the Betrayer fights neither for vengeance nor for. Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba And Commander Farsight has a really super powerful sword, and. Imagining Kharn attempting to brute force his way through Primarch level opponents is out of touch with the portrayal we saw already. I would say that Kharn has more options for Victory, but that the options Lelith has are perhaps more likely outcomes. Author Message Subject: Advert. Celestine vs Swarmlord and Typhus vs Anval Thawn could also work I love Celestine dearly but pleaaasee, let the Swarmy win for once! As powerful and skilled as she is, the Shadow in the Warp would depower her, no bullshit "Celestine wins!" Typhus vs Anval is the one I'm would be in for. · Abaddon fought Saint Celestine and both her Geminiae Superia in a 3v1. Pre-Heresy Lorgar vs Abaddon, Kharn and Saint Celestine Can 3 of the strongest mortals beat a Primarch ? Abaddon has Drach’nyen and Talon of Horus, Kharn has Gorechild. Jul 10, 2022. Vahl for its buff, Celestine for its fighting durability. The first part of the fight is told from Siggy's perspective. Finally back with arguably the best match up in the entire Horus Heresy. Doom Hell doesn't know what to do about Doom Slayer , so they call in some help from a different hell and summer Khârn the…August 9, 2019. Kharn later takes part in the Shadow Crusade, forming a friendship with Word Bearer Captain Argel Tal. Okay so khârn vs sigismund. Boniface was elected pope immediately afterward, in December 1294. Following the. He was dodging daemon primarch Angron like it was nothing, and has several insane speed feats to his name as well (stuff like killing 20 people with his chainaxe before anyone can get a single shot off). Unless Ahriman and Typhus can pull of something amazing with their sorcery its. Calling him the. 2-Malenia has no reason for being a 606 tonner. Celestine V, a 13th-century pope who resigned, at the Basilica of Santa Maria di Collemaggio in L'Aquila, Italy, on Aug. Cal played again without three injured players — Devin Askew, Jalen Celestine and Keonte Kennedy — they expect to be starters or significant rotation pieces. Both are fighting to their fullest potential or whenever they are strongest. Fight is to the death (duh). TheSentientDust. / Daniel Ibáñez / CNA Rome Newsroom, Aug 21, 2022 / 03:38 am (CNA). Alas, Celestine is our lone mono-white representative. July 29, 2022 by Community Spotlight. ago. He also briefly fought and slightly wounded Abaddon the Despoiler in their encounter, though the. So Kharn doing the same of a Celestine is not mind blowing but bad ass. He's capable of literally soloing an entire planet. - Fight occurs in an empty football stadium. You are placing this idea that 'Oh, because they have no names means they must be weaker then a named character' and no, my argument is that even those unnamed marines would vary between each other because they are not goddamn clones. The Slayer has access to the fully upgraded arsenal of DOOM 2016. Azrael by his own reckoning might manage to take Kharn down with him at best. Ezekyle Abaddon, more commonly known as Abaddon the Despoiler, is the Warmaster of Chaos, the former First Captain of the Sons of Horus Legion and now absolute Master of the Black Legion, and rumoured to be the clone-progeny of Warmaster Horus [23a]. Celestine. We’ve had some really good ones like Sanguine Bond and Ajani's Pridemate, but finding more of them is usually tricky. Here is Kharn using his daemonic axe to drain the soul of a Daemonic entity Here is Kharn using said daemonic axe to slice through an Imperial Knight’s reaper chainsword: That’s the enormous melee weapon on one these bastards Hey, let’s see how tough that magic armor that Kharn is wearing really is. Subject: A point about Kharn the Betrayer vs St. The champion of Khorne took two long strides and launched himself into the air, leaping higher than any normal Space Marine was able, axe in both hands. Lorgar abusing his psyker powers considerably smashes the three of them (except maybe Kharn with some psyker resistance) but Kharn 100% does not win that physical fight. 153 column 2), recalling the good arrangements for conclaves issued by Gregory X. Round 3: Kharn the Betrayer. Pretty sure saint celestine thought she could 1 shot kharn too. #1. The Khorne demon. Celestine was affected when the Necron pylons were activated. Falling to the Chosen of the Blood God in battle only to rise again seems rather fitting. Despite her best efforts, Kharn killed the Living Saint but her efforts to save Tsadrekha were not entirely in vain. . Kharn's totally wrecked Erebus in their match at the end of the novel Betrayer, and Erebus is/was one of the best fighters in 30k, and the guy is a precog psyker to boot. They have all their normal equipment and abilities. Without the nails, the WE were very different. . [deleted] • 3 yr. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. He's terribly intelligent. Speed Equalized if necessary. Kharn doesn't enjoy Khornes undivided attention so his magic resist is significantly lower than khornes full powr, but it shoe at the very least mean that Lucius, Typhus and Ahriman can't oneshot him with warpcraft although Typhus and Ahriman would likely find a way to work around it. The head canon of Kharn tearing Abaddon up is too metal to be ignored. ago. tdidster • 3 yr. 'Once Terra has burned and the Warmaster's claim to the Throne proven just, the XII Legion will festoon the new. Gremmy can kill him with a thought or turning his body into cookies, Lille can erase him with X-axis, Gerard will just adapted into more powerful than him, Askin can turn his own power into poison, Quilge can dump him in inescapable jail, Pepe can mindfuck him, Jugram can reversed all of the. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:Kharn absolutely stomps in melee. Forgeworld stats suggest a Warhound Titan is approx 400 tons, but it feels like this number might have been quietly dropped sometimes. Avatar 720 wrote:Kharn wouldn't have gotten anywhere near to any enemies if he lacked any sense of tactics and strategy, and so it stands to reason that Berzerkers (inc. vs. Space marines are barely sonic speed, so Kharn blitzing them means little. Khârn later fought Saint Celestine in combat, and slayed her current incarnation. Huron Blackheart, the master of the Red Corsairs, stars in a tale of deceit and treachery, while Khârn the Betrayer gets a suitably crimson special edition makeover. Always a slave. Plasma weapons have been compared to the insides of suns which is above anything shown in GoW. Khârn is a member of the World Eaters Traitor Legion of Chaos Space Marines, and the greatest mortal Champion of Khorne. But yes Kharn has killed several blood angels and death company blood angels. 3. Deep within bowels of a corrupted Starship. On September 28, Celestine issued a Constitution entitled Quia in futurorum (issued from Aquila, IV Kal. While Kharn can't lift up a Metal Gear, he can rip it to pieces with his bare hands. Yes, but Kharn isn't going to go hunting him Dick Tracy style through the Eye. Sevatar: You know, out of all the members of your legions I've met. Removing Argel Tal from the board hastened Kharns devolution into the slavering warrior he is at the Siege and on into 40k. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. For years the skeletal remains of Celestine V were on display in a glass case in the Basilica of Santa Maria di Collemaggio in L’Aquila. All sides get their standard equipment and are bloodlusted, fighting in the (mysteriously empty) Imperial Throne Room. Clousseau East Bay, Ca, US TL,DR: My favorite character didn't win a fight, and i'm upset about it. Now a Living Saint, she has been described as a grand design of the Emperor unfulfilled. Typhus and Ahriman are leagues and bounds beyond Kharn and Lucius in terms of destructive capabilities. May 26, 2019 #1 Swarmlord VS Khârn the Betrayer Conditions: Versions: Strongest known canon versions. Check out the latest cards revealed from Warhammer 40,000 Commander decks below. Again, this disregards the previous two scenarios. Blood clotted on his face; a deep gash marked the cheek under his left eye, and his nose was a mashed ruin. The only thing I remember is Celestine had her head cut off by Kharn. Dominus of Fealty. Today Loremasters we speak of one who carved a red wake across the Imperium for 9000 years – Khârn the Betrayer. Jul 15, 2019. It's not like Omni-Man vs Homelander where Homelander couldn't win even if Omni-Man willingly stood still and took a beating for 5 minutes. I think people think he can match a Primarch because he is the de facto leader of Chaos, though that doesn't make him the most powerful, but the best Leader. He also shredded Celestine, who has killed Greater Daemons and challenged Abaddon. Motivation - R. Celestine V died a prisoner ten months later. Abbadon was able to kill the Horus Clone,so there's that. And he enjoyed it. Saint Patricia on the disappearance of St. #6. He was trembling, face twitching. He is the most powerful Warmaster of all, successor to Horus, and blessed by all. Saint Celestine V, Pope. For the most part they have been collected by diehards ands masochists due. Current Records: Tulane 3-1, California 2-3. Feb 28, 2020. I liked the wrong feat, but the right one is him picking up a sizable portion of Excelsus. 0: Kharn, Skull Connoisseur deals X damage to target creature or player, where X is your devotion to Red. ‘Look at you with that blade. Meanwhile, Kharn does about 2,5 points of damage on Moloc in a single round (not counting his fight twice ability - it wouldn't kick in, since Kharn is dead before it happens). He rolled to his feet with a manic laugh,sweeping Gorechild up in a thunderous arc. See less. Kharn the Bloody – Captain of the World Eater’s 8th Assault Company, the Twice Un-Slain, The Ender. In this article, I’ll do my best not to offend Warhammer fans with my knowledge of their game's lore (I have none). If Kharn can withstand a single BFG tracer or a direct hit the debate ends because Kharn defeats DS again Doom Eternal Saving throw is not as good as 2016. Driven solely by their raging desire to spill blood. Celestine intercepts Kharn before he kills more than one of them, and they get the hell out of dodge (hypnotising an Imperial Navy Captain in the process. Kharn is armed with Gorechild. Kaneki has City Block+ Level AP and Durability, Hypersonic level speed, and incredible regeneration ability too. The adamantium teeth on the chainaxe was broken - Kharn promptly went into the World Eaters' trophy hall, took a beeline to a mica dragon's skull, and took the teeth to make a really killy repair job. Darth Vader and Darth Sidious from Star Wars Legends. Khârn noticed the long number of his tally count had suddenly risen by one. Cryptothrall. Vahl is a great build around character, with her ability to give out full rerolls (seriously, throw them on a unit of MM Retributors or. Iirc, it doesn't even show Kharn kill them all. It's no different from saying Wizard vs Berserker immune to Magic. This would sort of line up with your champion idea. Gregory M. Kharn takes on Loken and has him on the ropes until a land raider crashes into him: Gallery. The alpha legion just happen to not be the big threat right then and there, and are also kinda helping fight against kharn and the khornate forces, and so she kinda lets them slide. Great White wrote: Kharn would put skull blocks on Lucius' feet and throw him into the bay. Same novel, same exact scene, Kharn fights Angron: He drew his plasma pistol as he rolled out of the way of Angron’s stamping foot. It's not like Omni-Man vs Homelander where Homelander couldn't win even if Omni-Man willingly stood still and took a beating for 5 minutes. Look how well that turned out lol. Who's Playing. You're the ones I hate the least. That was before Kharn went through a series of power ups as Champion of Khorne. 4- Kharn regularly tanks hits from Lascannons, and he goes toe-to-toe with Imperial Knight mechs and wins in melee. The Swarmlord. During his rampage he runs into Kharn. With Slaansh’s greatest champion being a mocking copy of the Craftworld Eldar greatest warriors. I think he could speedblitz. Yes, it's obvious to most fans that Magneto would win, but it's still entirely within Tetsuo's abilities to kill Magneto. Since his death,. ". Wiki Points. The doom slayer (DOOM) vs kharn the betrayer (40k) Doomslayer would have issues with a standard Marine let alone Kharn, champion of Khorne. Celestine V was canonized by Pope Clement V in 1313, and he is referred to as Saint Celestine or Saint Peter Celestine. Kharn and Calgar Vs. After Erebus arranged the death of Tal, an enraged Kharn nearly slew the Word Bearer Chaplain. Pietro took the name of Celestine V. Following the. Celestine, the Living Saint. Feb 24, 2015. The Pope of Rome, named Celestine, who for cowardice of heart, fearing others, refused the great apostolic office in Rome. 0. Commissar Severina Raine. Two legends go to war. Even then with out anti magic blessing Kharn is still a blessed super champion warrior that eats space marines. Pope Celestine V, also known as Pietro da Morrone, Peter of Morrone, and Peter Celestine, was a monk and hermit who established the order of the Celestines, which later got affiliated to the Benedictine order. Abaddon will always get to the brink of defeat but will somehow win or escape. Ahriman is different. Battle in the arena aboard the Conquerer, starting 15 meters apart. If doomguy gets hit once he's dead but he is a master of kiting and could wear kharn down and take him with the crucible when kharn is worn out, but kharn is not slow and would probably get a hit in eventually. He's both a leader and a fighter, while Kharn is nothing but a fighter. Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain Vigo. He decided to dedicate his life to spiritualism at a tender age and left everything to live in solitude. Upon the oceanic hive world of Tsadrekha, the darkness of the Noctis Aeterna is held at bay by the golden light of a unique beacon. Kharn had ambitions to go after The Word Bearers once The Heresy was concluded, and Horus had won his war. Saint Celestine, the most famous of the Living Saints of the Emperor of Mankind, faces off against some opponents in a one on one battle to the death. (Kharn was one of the first neophytes to be recruited, becoming a part of the nascent War Hounds Legion. Excelsus is pretty garbage compared to a Titan. The Icon of Sin is definitely stronger than a standard marine, and Doomslayer killed it twice (in both Doom 2 and Doom Eternal). Celestine, the Living Saint. Kharn later takes part in the Shadow Crusade, forming a friendship with Word Bearer Captain Argel Tal. Lol at stomping the whole verse. five mystery cards and only five mythics and rares! It's David & Dong vs Jordan & Jon for the finals of CUT 15! Charts Combos Similar Cards. We are loyal servants of the Inquisition, oh yes. Duster_316 said: Because Calgar, by his own admission, fucked up and let Swarmlord bait him into a trap by pissing him off, which is fairly in keeping with Calgar's angry man status. More posts from r/guro. NinjaTrilby said: Lancer is faster than this guy, who can flash-step even while the scene is in really slow motion. #belisarius cawl, #Celestine the Living Saint, #commander gameplay, #edh gameplay, #extra turns, #Magnus the Red, #Magus Lucea Kane Read More » The 600 - Predicting the Popularity of Warhammer 40k CommandersKharn only picked it up because he wanted a fancy weapon, and he didn't care about Angron's taboo of never repairing a broken weapon. 1. Khorne's favor likely flip flops back and forth. cergic. ago. ago. Yes. Kharn's name strikes much more fear than Celestine. sauerkrautcity Raven Guard • 7 yr. Celestine is a mineral that is a form of strontium sulfate, with the chemical formula SrSO 4. Guy: Without gates: Casually sends people through walls several feet thick. Kharn, after he faced Imperial Knight and destroyed it, after he faced imperial Saint (who makes Celestine looks like weakling) and killed it, with his ribs broken, with nearly losing because of. Just as Lord Commander Dante isn’t supposed to be as strong as a primarch. Khârn’s rage was deeper than he had ever allowed it to be before. Removing Vader's force powers is more of a disadvantage then removing Kharn's magic immunity. Celestine was affected when the Necron pylons were activated. Their weapons crashed together, Kharne had parried the last blow. Kharn was shown multiple times to be able to cut power armor, so he would be able to cut the slayer armor. Erebus's fencing is characterized as defensive, mechanical and precise. 16. Sigismund, Champion of the Emperor. Kharn and Sigismund will kill them all, but Iscolahar will annihilate their entire culture and replace it with Ultramar's. . The millions of other Tyranid just circle around and. ‘I’m Khârn. Khârn has the Plasma Pistol, Gorechild and his personal Power Armor. Originally, he was a full-blooded Eldar, who Malcador discovered travelling the webway. Shroud of Night is a novel by Black Library Publishing by Andy Clark. The contrapasso of Inferno 3 works by antithesis rather than by analogy; analogy will however be the preferred mechanism of contrapasso in Dante’s Inferno. #2. Some stock footage provided by A Luna Blue, Downloaded from videvo. SoB group will change when they come into plastic as they will be more accessible. Fight in Final Destination (SSBU). This is an interesting thought, actually losing skill and power after falling to chaos and gaining so much expirence. I'm looking for any fights/confrontations etc etc of current unique characters vs other unique characters. He's on a whole other level at this point. • 8 mo. The guy couldn't even throw a minivan with enough velocity to stop a couple of helicopters that. He loped up a set of metal steps and burst through a bulkhead door into a brightly lit chamber. so Kharn has a very small chance of rolling two 6's to reach Ahriman in melee. Latest commission piece, based on a scene from a novel. I'd also like to get the record of Ragnarok reaction 40k gods and the Big E in general. Another addition to the list may be Saint Celestine. This subreddit is for the discussion of competitive play, national, regional and local meta, news and events surrounding the competitive scene, and for workshopping lists and tactics in the various games that fall under the Warhammer catalogue. Khârn, also known as Khârn the Betrayer is a Chaos Space Marine of the World Eaters Legion. (an open field, a football stadium, the vacuum of space) Genosha. Im going with the Khornate in this. Kinda important to post this excerpt that's literally 12 pages later, after Kharn kills Jenetia Krole. Tyberos is huge for an astartes , wears unification era armour parts in his suit, moves amazingly fast and has 2 relic weapons that mean hed mincemeat most opponents. Kharn could likely beat at least Lorgar. Kharn has never died once (Dorn only put him into a coma) while Celestine has died countless times. M41. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. The Location or Setting of the contest. The Red Path was a vision Kharn had after a battle with some white scars. So it was quite a bold. Michael J. But can you find a quote If Kharn's maybe killed enough people that he's got a surplus he can turn in for a daemon retinue, or some such, then the faith in the Emperor, and Celestine, will be enough for her to come back, for the umpteenth time; she's sort of the Phoenix; she'll be killed, but that's not the end, and a bit of a Schwarzenegger line, I don't want to say. Abaddon has fought Kharn to a standstill, he's gotten his ass handed to him by Eldrad, he held the upper hand against Celestine, beat a (weaker) clone of Horus, and has fought off several greater demons of different gods IIRC. So no, they are different I think. B demands a death match. He's ok but he's pretty fragile (which is to be expected cause he's just a guy) but he will always be deep striking by himself so he's easy to target. He ultimately beat them and showed his superiority, but this was a complex multi-stage fight.